I moved up to the 1/2 tables at Part this past week. I got sick of getting sucked out on by the total fish who figure one more dollar is good enough to see the river with 82o or some crap like that. I’m short in the bankroll department for this level, especially after this past weekend’s cold run (what a time to move up, lose twice as much in the same amount of time!), but I am enjoying it more. I was getting to the point where poker wasn’t fun anymore. I would dutifully login because it’s better than doing nothing, but I generally didn’t look forward to doing it. I’d login, find a table, let out a big sigh and sit down. Even if I won it wasn’t fun. While I was taking it seriously, it seemed everybody else would just “play”. I would read about strategy, what to do in certain situations, and then it wouldn’t matter at all at a 50/1 table since you’d have 4 people calling you down to the river and then catch crap.
There is a big difference between 50/1 and 1/2. One interesting change is the majority of the hands do not go to showdown. In fact, here are many times when everything is folded to the BB. WTF? This is so different than 50/1 where having 7 people see the flop is not uncommon. While the play at 1/2 may not be pro level (mine included of course), it is a huge step up from 50/1. There is a theory (mostly on 2+2, but it more or less makes sense to me anyway), that 1/2 is tighter than 2/4 (at Party anyway) because most of the people at 1/2 moved up from 50/1 after winning. A lot of people at 2/4 play that level since they are used to playing that at the B&M and don’t want to move down or they are comfortable at that level. While I’m sure that this is a broad generalization, in some ways it does make sense. Don’t get me wrong, there are still fish here and they still play crap hands (and catch them), but there are enough decent people that you can actually use strategy.
Anyway, I have found a big leak in my game now that I’ve started playing with people who will actually fold. That is, I don’t raise enough. Books and other advice that you read push raising for a number of reasons ranging from getting more in the pot to driving others out. At 50/1 a raise doesn’t mean much and will not drive people out. At 1/2, a raise, especially pre-flop, will drive people out. It’s amazing to watch when you’re not used to it. I now see what
Therefore, to not be session oriented, I feel good about the way I’ve been playing and Poker Tracker shows that I haven’t been screwing up too badly. Yes I have some holes, but now I know what some of them are, therefore I can improve. Playing with Pauly last night was instructive and confirmed some of my thoughts about how to play “correctly” at this level.
On a side note, if you don’t think that the rake will eat you alive at the low limits, check out the difference between a 1/2 pot and a 10/20 pot:
1/2: Main Pot: $36.50 | Rake: $1
10/20: Main Pot: $463 | Rake: $2
Winning a mere $430 more costs you only $1 more in rake. Ouch.
Chris,
Good luck at the $1/$2 tables!
I am much too passive, but as Henry pointed out to me, the 50/1 game is very passive as there are so many people calling down that you have to be passive because unless you have the nuts you are vulnerable.
The funny part is that you probably learned how to play correctly, encountered ultra, utlra loose play at the .50/$1 tables, adjusted your play, and now playing correctly seems foreign.
I know what you mean though. I must have hundreds of notes on players that I wrote in all caps because I’m blown away that this guy was calling 3 bets cold pre-flop, 2 bets on the flop and called a check-raise on the turn with absolutely nothing but somehow rivers a card that beats you (usually something like 72, pulls a two on the flop and another on the river to kill your AA pocket pair).
Good luck at the 1/2 tables.
I gave them a try over the weekend when I was going through my cold rush, and found them to be better in some respects. However, you’ll still get suckout kings who can do to you in 2 hands what a bunch of fish will do to you in 5 at the .50/1 tables. For instance, rockets getting cracked by 43o: I raise pre-flop and he calls from the BB, flops two pair. Or big slick losing to 93o in LP.
Anyway, my bankroll’s more vulnerable to the swings at 1/2, so I’m going to just grit my teeth and slog through the .50/1 tables until it’s in better shape.
Chris –
Good luck at 1/2…I just jumped there myself. Maybe we’ll run into each other?
I haven’t necessarily found the play to be that much different from .5-1, but I usually try and get on the tables with the highest avg. pot, so maybe that’s why.
My theory on 1-2 Party tightness is that the people in the full games tend to be good full game players. The bad play at 1-2 is in the 6-max games. A similar bottlenecking of good full game players happens on Stars at the .5-1 level where the 6-max games start there as well.
Note that there’s no 6-max at Party 2-4 and that’s why the loosie-goosies find their way back to full games. I’m itching to get my bankroll up to a proper level for that group.
I just moved up from 50/1 to 1/2 at Party as well, and was really suprised by the difference. Everything I had read about Party said the fish were there at every level there. You really do have to play differently at 1/2 there, though.
Nice going, Chris. I checked in on you tonight and you were up 15 or so. Later on you were up 50 or so.
Yep, things sure are different, but refreshing (IMHO). Phil, see the next entry, I did indeed have a great night. Thanks for stopping by!
Yikes, Poker Tracker looks a little bit complicated, but I think that I’ll download it anyway.
What would be your starting out advice for someone that has been playing for about 7 months?